[WG-IDAssurance] Updates to my comments

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[mailto:wg-idassurance-bounces at kantarainitiative.org] On Behalf Of Furr,
Sent: Saturday, 7 December, 2013 15:59
To: Coderre, Mark; 'Scott Shorter'; 'Andrew Hughes'; 'IA WG'
Subject: Re: [WG-IDAssurance] Updates to my comments


It would certainly be worth knowing that and if so that should be included
in comments.




I wonder why FICAM is pointing to the draft NASPO/ANSI ID verification
standard when ISO 29003, Identity Proofing already exists and is used
>>RGW:  Good question in principle, but who do you know is using IS29003?
It is presently at Working Draft 2, requires a LOT of work (600+ comments to
dispose - the last editing session was not a pretty sight) and I suspect it
will take another 2 yrs to achieve Final Draft stage.


Please, how are IdP/CSPs supposed to play in all these sandboxes??
>>RGW:  They contribute through their National Bodies (the US' is
INCITS/CS1) if they want to have a vote at the national level, and their NB
will have a vote at the ISO JTC 1/SC 27/WG 5 level;  they can also
contribute via Kantara which has a liaison status with SC27 (and this has, I
think, been reasonably well notified through the IAWG list), but liaison
bodies do not get to vote during editing sessions.


Rich Furr

Identity, Regulatory Affairs, Audit, and Compliance Consultant

Verizon Enterprise Solutions



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[mailto:wg-idassurance-bounces at kantarainitiative.org] On Behalf Of Coderre,
Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 5:57 PM
To: 'Scott Shorter'; 'Andrew Hughes'; 'IA WG'
Subject: Re: [WG-IDAssurance] Updates to my comments


Aren't there a myriad of state laws that would prohibit using SSN purely for


From: wg-idassurance-bounces at kantarainitiative.org
[mailto:wg-idassurance-bounces at kantarainitiative.org] On Behalf Of Scott
Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 1:57 PM
To: Andrew Hughes; IA WG
Subject: [WG-IDAssurance] Updates to my comments


Hi all,


Updates to a few comments based on today's call.  The "IAWG let's discuss on
Friday" comment is now:


1. Clarify the distinction between identity proofing and identity
resolution, the attribute verification requirements for each, and when those
requirements are applicable (e.g. CSPs/RAs during enrollment, CSPs as
attribute providers, RPs during account linking and problem resolution,


2. RPs should be able to make a determination based on their risk assessment
whether credentials based on data broker verification meets their needs.
FICAM could provide guidance on the pros and cons, and consider providing
granularity in levels of Identity Assurance reflecting the data sources
against which verification was performed.


Does that more or less reflect the discussion?


I didn't add this because we didn't discuss it, but what also occurred to me


3. FICAM could declare that SSN is not an acceptable "valid current
government ID number" during remote identity proofing.  


NIST has persistently declined to clarify this issue, although the
conspicuous lack of the term "picture ID" in column 2 of Table 3 of SP
800-63-2 does permit it.  Changing that would be huge, and I doubt a
suggestion to do so would clear the ARB, but I offer it for the sake of



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