[KI-LC] Dissolution of WG Guidance

Bob Pinheiro kantara at bobpinheiro.com
Fri Jul 13 14:51:58 EDT 2012

FYI, I send the following email to the Consumer Identity WG mailing list:

> You are receiving this email because you are registered as a 
> Participant in the Kantara Initiative's Consumer Identity Work Group 
> <http://kantarainitiative.org/confluence/display/WGCI/Home>, or you 
> are on the CIWG mailing list.
> The CIWG was formed as a continuation of the old Liberty Alliance 
> Identity Theft Prevention Special Interest Group. The purpose of the 
> CIWG was to focus Kantara interest and resources on helping to enable 
> high assurance consumer identity and authentication solutions for 
> identity fraud prevention on the Internet.  However, due to 
> uncertainty as to how to achieve such goals, as well as low levels of 
> participation and a lack of funding, the CIWG never achieved its 
> purpose.  CIWG has now been inactive for the past year, and the last 
> telephone meeting was held on June 29, 2011.   We discussed on that 
> call whether the WG should disband (meeting notes here 
> <http://kantarainitiative.org/confluence/display/WGCI/CIWG+Agenda+and+Minutes-2011-06-29>).  
> But because other initiatives were just getting under way at that time 
> that could have an impact on consumer identity, such as the National 
> Strategy for Trusted Identities in Cyberspace (NSTIC), it was decided 
> to take a "wait and see" approach before making any further decisions 
> on the future of the CIWG.
> Now that a year has passed, it is time to take definitive action to 
> decide on the future of the CIWG.
> NSTIC is just now getting off the ground, with a first meeting of the 
> NSTIC Steering Group scheduled for August 2012. Funding for pilot 
> projects will be announced later this summer.  So in the US anyway, 
> there are now other potential opportunities for those interested in 
> consumer identity issues to have an impact.
> Unless there is any reasonable chance that the CIWG can, at this 
> point, define a set of work products and recruit the resources needed 
> to generate such products, I believe it is time to formally disband 
> the CIWG.  This will require taking a vote among the voting 
> Participants of the CIWG, or requesting that the Kantara Leadership 
> Council shutdown the CIWG due to lack of activity.    Another 
> possibility is to convert the CIWG into a Discussion Group.  However, 
> unless there is sufficient interest among Participants to meet from 
> time to time to discuss topics related to consumer identity, this 
> option would not seem to be viable.
> If you would like to initiate any discussion on the CIWG's future,  
> please respond to the list, or to me directly. Otherwise, unless there 
> is sufficient interest expressed in converting to a Discussion Group, 
> or someone can make a strong case for continuing as a Work Group, I 
> will take steps within the next few weeks to disband the CIWG.
> Thanks
> ---------------------------
> Bob Pinheiro
> Chair, Consumer Identity WG
> 908-654-1939
> consumerid at bobpinheiro.com
> www.bobpinheiro.com
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On 7/13/2012 11:08 AM, Joni Brennan wrote:
> Thanks Colin,
> Yes this is the process that Trent and Eve took the lead developing to 
> complement the OPs way back in the first year of KI.  I think it's 
> clear too.  If we need to discuss further on an LC call we certainly 
> can. But I would suggest that a group wanting to follow this process 
> would, as a next step, call a vote and make clear the requirements for 
> it to carry (75% supermajority) and and go from there.
> If chairs have questions they can contact me.
> thanks!
> =Joni
> Joni Brennan
> Kantara Initiative | Executive Director
> voice:+1 732-226-4223
> email: joni @ ieee-isto.org <http://ieee-isto.org>
> Slideshare - Building Trusted Identity Ecosystems - It takes a village!
> http://www.slideshare.net/kantarainitiative/kantara-may-2012
> On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 6:37 PM, Colin Wallis 
> <colin_wallis at hotmail.com <mailto:colin_wallis at hotmail.com>> wrote:
>     It seems to work for me...or am I missing something?
>     Perhaps a bit circuituous, but it works, yes?
>     Cheers
>     Colin
>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>     From: joni at ieee-isto.org <mailto:joni at ieee-isto.org>
>     Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 12:49:40 -0700
>     To: LC at kantarainitiative.org <mailto:LC at kantarainitiative.org>
>     Subject: [KI-LC] Dissolution of WG Guidance
>     LC,
>     I've reviewed the Operating Procedures and find no procedures with
>     in a work group for the dissolution of a WG.  I do find 2 ways in
>     which actions are defined.
>     1. Via a simple majority vote of the LC (OPs section 2.6), and
>     2. according to the process defined by the LC
>     (http://kantarainitiative.org/confluence/x/3oCdAg).
>     I suggest LC review item 2 because it actually defines what leads
>     up to item 1.  For a Work Group to self-shut-down (decharter) they
>     would need to hold a super-majority vote with in the WG and then
>     notify the LC of the results of that vote.
>     For example: Consumer Identity WG has 6 voting members
>     (http://kantarainitiative.org/confluence/x/IQCX) so at least 5
>     people (4.5 is supermajority) must vote affirmative for the
>     decharter action.
>     Should it be proven that this vote is attempted, has opportunity,
>     but can not be achieved, it would seem apparent that this decision
>     comes back to the authority of the LC OR the group continues but
>     does not generate quarterly reports > kicking off the quarterly
>     reports process as defined in item 2. That bit of detail should
>     close the questions about what happens when a group may seek to
>     decharter. Please advise if there are questions or concerns.
>     Thanks!
>     =Joni
>     Joni Brennan
>     Kantara Initiative | Executive Director
>     voice:+1 732-226-4223 <tel:%2B1%20732-226-4223>
>     email: joni @ ieee-isto.org <http://ieee-isto.org>
>     Slideshare - Building Trusted Identity Ecosystems - It takes a
>     village!
>     http://www.slideshare.net/kantarainitiative/kantara-may-2012
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