[KI-LC] Telecon Reminder - Wed, Sept 23 at 15:00 UTC

Iain Henderson iain.henderson at mydex.org
Wed Sep 23 01:10:54 PDT 2009

Trent, sorry but I now can't make the call today; so let me try and  
address the remaining query over the proposed 2009 funding request for  
scoping of a consumer market research project via e-mail.

The remaining query that i'm aware of is from Ken Salzberg, as per  

'In reading the proposal, there is one thing that stands out as a  
potential issue for me.

In the Exec Summary the following statement is made:

"The ultimate aim is to produce a statistically valid body or research  
available to
consortia partners that will enable product/ service design for those  
wishing to deploy
and engage with user-centric/ user-driven identities."

In the Kanatara benefit section it states:

"This project seeks to build and enable genuine thought leadership  
across technology,
business model, regulatory and user experience in the digital identity  

The issue I have is that I question the use of Kantara funds to drive  
development of member products and services, which does not seem  
appropriate to me. This could certainly be a side benefit, but not the  
direct purpose.
I agree that the thought leadership is a worthy goal, but is a bit  
weak on its own.

What I would like to see is something that shows how this research  
will help drive/market work being done in one or more WGs.'

My perspective on that is as follows:

- the funding request only relates to $5k in seed corn investment to  
kick start what will undoubtedly be a big and expensive research study  
(it has to be to genuinely get at real consumer needs in a  
statistically valid manner that can be modeled).

- the second and third phases require additional investment, expected  
from organisations with large customer/ citizen bases who have an  
incentive in better understanding customer needs (i.e. it helps them  
build better products and services). They won't invest unless they are  
getting something back that is relevant to them.

- combining the Kantara initiation and management of this study  
enables both a body of knowledge to be built and made available for  
the greater good, and also the development of better products and  
services that are the only thing that will close the current gap. Note  
i'd assume the terms of investment in stages 2 and 3 would be that the  
investors get early access to the results, but the overall body is  
published on an open basis.

Also, to be clear; this is not a proposal aimed at only UDVPI issues;  
to date we have interest from the P3P, eGov and UMA groups. I don't  
expect that interest to firm up until the scoping work more clearly  
articulates the proposed research, but this is very definitely aimed  
at being a Kantara wide study and not just for one work group.

Hope that helps.



On 22 Sep 2009, at 17:57, J. Trent Adams wrote:

> All -
> We're on for our next teleconference at:
>    * Date: Wednesday, September 23, 2009
>    * Time: 8am PDT | 11am EDT | 15:00 UTC
>    * Teleconference Options:
>          o Skype: +9900827043671716
>          o US Dial-In: +1-201-793-9022 | Room Code: 3671716
> Following is a snapshot of the agenda:
>   1. Roll Call for Quorum Determination
>   2. Approval of prior meeting minutes
>         1. Review: Leadership Council Teleconference - 2009-09-09 [2]
>         2. Review: Leadership Council F2F - 2009-09-14 [3]
>   3. Conference Wrap-Up
>         1. 2010 Budget
>         2. OP / Bylaws
>   4. 2009 Supplemental Budget Requests:
>         1. Review: Supplemental Budget Request 2009 - UDVPI-WG [4]
>         2. IAWG Budget Requests
>   5. Name Change Request:
>         1. From: User-Driven Volunteered Personal Information - Tech  
> WG
> (UDVPI-Tech)
>         2. To: Information Sharing WG (acronym?)
>   6. Reminder: Nominations for LC Secretary & Vice-Chair
>   7. Call schedule proposal: Every other week or monthly.
>   8. AOB
> As always, please refer to the wiki for the most updated agenda:
> http://kantarainitiative.org/confluence/x/EYAlAg
> Talk with you then,
> Trent
> [1]
> http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=9&day=23&year=2009&hour=15&min=0&sec=0&p1=0&sort=2
> [2]
> http://kantarainitiative.org/confluence/display/LC/Leadership+Council+Teleconference+-+2009-09-09
> [3]
> http://kantarainitiative.org/confluence/display/LC/Leadership+Council+F2F+-+2009-09-14
> [4]
> http://kantarainitiative.org/confluence/display/LC/Supplemental+Budget+Request+2009+-+UDVPI-WG
> -- 
> J. Trent Adams
> =jtrentadams
> Outreach Specialist, Trust & Identity
> Internet Society
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